PAKISTAN KAY TALIBAN

[Naeem]

Welcome gypsy.......you travel like your name.

Daani.....Belief is a very strange phenomenon...spiritually it can take you deep down into rubble or up high in the sky....it all depends on the person that how he uses his beleif....but I must say that our current situation regarding this matter is painful and must be rconsidered. Yesterday I found a healthy statement in the newspaper about Ijtihaad. people are now thinking that Ijtihaad is important and it can be implemented...lets see what happens.

[Awaragypsy]

Aslam O Alikum all .........

Thanks U very much indeed @ Naeem .....well thats some how true i travel like my name that is why i have this nick any ways ......Quite great words u wrote .....



Dear bro @ Dani ......Honestly donnt u consider ur last almost all of the paragraph is more of a pathetic approach then a concive able articulation ???
U simply tend to exclude ur high ness out off the scenarios and almost out from all aligations just see to this start up"Pakistani qaum pehlay massom thi ab yeh bawaqoof ho gai hay....aur baywaqoofii abb jahalat main badal rahii hay.....balkay kai jagah to badal chukki hay...yahan her koi mazhab ka scholar hay." iss saraai baat main app jenaab kia represent kaar rahay hain ??? yaa phir kiss jagha nazar ataaay hain ???
lets see this last line "aap sab lloog bass abbb qurbani ki tiarrii karein...gosht kaheinnn ...mast raheinn...Allah ajarr day gay...Insha Allah."
Jenaab khud kahan hain iss sarri baat main why so easily exempted out ??why ?? dosaary itnaay hee buraay hain maan liaa / maan liaa main bhi sab saay buraa hoon ,Theek ..... App jenaab kee tareef kahan hai iss sarray article main ???

Meraay bhai deen kee drustagi aligations impose karnay saay dosroon paar gull charaay uranaay saay aur tanqeed par tanqeed karnaay saay naheen hoti Deen , deen-aey- islam har individuall kaa deen hai jo collective form main Baa-Hukam -e- Khudawand-tala Mojood hai scholar hoona formality naheen hai zarrorat hai aur aik neccessity hai Deen koo sumjhnay kaay liaay aur ,Goor kigieaay gaa Sumjhnaay kaay liaay zarrori hai taab hee sumjahnaaaay kaay qabil hoon gaay warnaa regimes kee kami naheen hai ,aik khatam tu aur sahi ........

any ways u said some thing regardingly as :-
" Array bhai jee main aap sab loogoon ko sirf yeh keh rahaa hoon kay yeh joo bhi hoo rahhaaa hay yeh sub eik game hay jee aur iss main koi bhee chahay woh taliban hoon america ho ya pakistani forces hoon unn sabb ka kissi mazhab islam chritinaity say koi wastaa nahiin hay...yeh sab power ki game hay aur aam awwaam ka lahoo sarkoon per uchaalll rahaa hay. "

Here is some thing which might help u under stand the back end and the religious afflictions and why the world proves to become such a living hell specially for Muslims .....I have posted this in another thread by @ Salman javeed by the name >Christian Zionist Messianism: How It Views Islam and Muslims >Yeh Hum Naheen - Forum >General Comments ...


here are some abstracts from the topic as >

Influential Intellectuals/Politicians

o Henry Kissinger , US Sec of State Jewish
o Richard Levin, President Yale University Jewish
o Alan Greenspan , US Federal Reserve Jewish
o Joseph Lieberman Jewish
o Madeleine Albright , US Sec of State Jewish
o Casper Weinberger , US Sec of Defence Jewish
o Maxim Litvinov , USSR Foreign Minister Jewish
o David Marshal , Singapore Chief Minister Jewish
o Isaacs Isaacs, Gov-Gen Australia Jewish
o Benjamin Disraeli, British Statesman Jewish
o Yevgeny Primakov, Russian PM Jewish
o Barry Goldwater , US Politician Jewish
o Jorge Sampaio, President Portugal Jewish
o Herb Gray, Canadian Deputy - PM Jewish
o Pierre Mendes, French PM Jewish
o Michael Howard, British Home Sec. Jewish
o Bruno Kriesky, Austrian Chancellor Jewish
o Robert Rubin , US Sec of Treasury Jewish

Global Media Influential

o Wolf Blitzer, CNN Jewish
o Barbara Walters ABC News <http://abcnews.go.com/> Jewish
o Eugene Meyer , Washington Post Jewish
o Henry Grunwald, Time Magazine Jewish
o Katherine Graham , Washington Post Jewish
o Joseph Lelyeld, New York Times Jewish
o Max Frankel, New York Times Jewish


Just a bit so u can understand the plan not the game ........

hope to recive a fact full and logical reply ......

MAY ALLAH SWT LEAD US ALL TOWARDS RIGHTEOUS PATH ANS MAY ALLAH SWT KEEP US ALL SAFE , AMEEN ...........

[mjamshedkhan]

My brothers and sisters my reply might not be a conventional thought and hard to digest. i work for an intelligence agency operating in these area i am responsible for hangu parachanar area. i would like to share under the hood that there is no real war against terror or taliban in place what happening here can easily called as "Noora Kushti" we cant kill taliban and tribals they are our need a very promting need. if amrica and its allies attack pakistan who will fight me and you no these tribes man will fight against them not even caring for there lives anf families what we can do sit in our airconditioned rooms chat with friend on mobiles and free government fones and talk stupid for all these situations. the situation is worst than what u see. KPG form Russian Mosad from Israel RAW from India and many from america specialy NSA and CIA are investing billions of dollars to hire people from all central and south asia and utilize them for norcotics and terrorism. they will never let the situation to become stable because if it happens there supervised drug smuggling will stop and from where they will get the money for there weapons and economy. think sharp just sit and watch your homr burn in fire we cant do anything i swear my boys and gals just try to find some secure place in some other country and grow your nationalism in your heart after this devastating end we have to regroup and do reL JIHAD TO CREATE REAL PAKISTAN AGAIN. sorry i might face tough results for this comment please dont share it much please.

[Daani]

@ Awara

Bhai jee.........impressed by your studies and research about Zionists and Christians......

Agar aap issii forum main Naeem or Salmaan kai bhi kuch replies parhh lain uss main unnoohhn nay Muslim Philosophers or scholars kay barray main bataya hay...e. alfarabi, Alkindi, Ibne Rushd etc etc

Agar app unn ki kitabain parh lain or unn ko hi follow kar lain to kafi hay.......iss tarah iss dunya main aap ka kuch bhalaa ho jaye ga...warna to bass yunhi chltaa rahay ga aur eik din aap aur main yahan say baighair kuch kiye chalay jaien gay...aur agar aap merii bhi kuch puranii posts parh lain to shaiid aap ko patta chall jaye kay meri aur chand doostoon ki kia koshish thi jo raigaan gai......aap kay barray main parha tha kay aap media main hain....to phir media per koi aisa kaam karein kay rehtii dunya kay pakistani aap ka naam yaad rakhein...khaali intellectualism say kuch nahii honay wala......bass bomb dhamaky aur load shedding.

@ mjamshed khan

Yaar aap agency main hain aur ajeeb batein kartay hain.........sirf qabaili larein gay.........kioon ...kia yeh mulk baqi loogoon ka nahii hay....qabaili iss mulk ka hisssa hain ussi tarah jiss tarah baqi sab loog hain...iss liye aap please apany khialaat change karaein kioon kay agar agencies main iss tarah kay loog kaam karein gay to phir baqioon ka Allh hi hafiz hay.........aur doosri baat yeh kay agar Americaa waghairaa nay hamla kia to phir kissi ko larnay ki zarrorat nahii...unnn kay drones aaien gay sab koo maar moor kar waps chalay jaienn gay.....na koi fauji aaye ga aur na koi tank....buss missiles aaien gay...video games dekhi hain naa app nay...bilkul ussi tarh.

[Truth]

aur doosri baat yeh kay agar Americaa waghairaa nay hamla kia to phir kissi ko larnay ki zarrorat nahii...unnn kay drones aaien gay sab koo maar moor kar waps chalay jaienn gay.....na koi fauji aaye ga aur na koi tank....buss missiles aaien gay...video games dekhi hain naa app nay...bilkul ussi tarh.

ab konsay attack ka wait karr rahe hoo?? ho to gaya attack missile bhi aa rahe hain drones bhi daily aa rahe hain...
500Arab$ ka defence badget hai likin $ kay nashay ne Kiyani ko Khamosh kar rakha hai

[Awaragypsy]

Aslam O Alikum all.....


Thank You very much indeed @ Dani , i really thought for a moment that people now have not just brains to fill up there skulls but they imply them too , my lousy thought and u shock me up right there before i could go a bit higher or getting derailed ....,Thank you very much Once again to clearify ur point and logical answers Regarding not just this topic but almost all on going issues Ur last words @ Dani "video games dekhi hain naa app nay...bilkul ussi tarh."
Even in the current situation in certain scenarios u are giving examples of Video games , waah yaar humm asaaay hee saab yeahn aa kaar articles liktaay hain aur koosish kartay hain keah kuch rastaay kee dushwari kam hoo usaay amli toor paar practical bananaay kii koshis kartaay hain , humain kia ilm thaa keah haal tu Video games main moojood hai .....Haaad hee hoo giee hai yaar ....Quite logical yaar

Shukriay @Dani bhai app nain mughay intimate kia about "Agar aap issii forum main Naeem or Salmaan kai bhi kuch replies parhh lain uss main unnoohhn nay Muslim Philosophers or scholars kay barray main bataya hay...e. alfarabi, Alkindi, Ibne Rushd etc etc".......

@ Dani app Kindly Topic < Yeh Hum Naheen - Forum ‹ Terrorism and Pakistan < Islamic Law koo zara study kigieaay gaa ....

once again thank u very much meraay bhalaay ka soocha app nain , main media main rehtay howay joo kuch kartaa hoon uss paar ALhumdulil'ALLAH kaffi pur aitemaad hoon aur dua goo hun keah ALLAH swT mujay rahaay raasat paar hee rakheen aur sub saay baarh kaar ALLAH paak saab kee khair karien meraay akellay kaay saaf honaay saay faark tu zarror paraay gaa magar Amaal mukamaal taab hai jaab ALLAH paak kaa hukam auron taak bhi pohnchain aur who uss saay mustafeed hoon , ALLAH paak saab koo Hadayiaat ataa kareen aur MAy each and every One be granted the righteous path , AMeen ......


@ dani I wrote this little line in my prior post as " hope to recive a fact full and logical reply ......"

Uss kaa reply kafi achaa hai , i wounder what u consider logic as ...???



Any ways lets come back to the topic ...... . To know what a rose smells like, one just needs to wake up and smell the roses.Awakening will Create Mystical Experiences, Mystical Powers, Wisdom, Omniscience , ..... And if some thing awakens slightest urge about some thing then it surely means Job half done , that urge may lead one to destiny and on equal marks may lure one to destruction One needs to trust and hold firm faith in one above all to fully acomplish till the end with positive attributes and sound reasonings............

[Naeem]

Bye Bye Dollar..........Salman I read your post where you have uploaded the article of Ameer Hamza....well I think that the situation is quiet horrible especially for those who know economics very well...............It is an open secret that Capitalism is a curse...then we also abuse Socialism style of economics...interest free economics has yet not defined itself.....then what do we want....are we waiting for Angels with Msc in Economy to come down and teach us the laws of a longer living economics or are we just busy in seeing the downfalls of different empires.

[Daani]

@ Naeem.......janaab iss mulk kay loog baray hi niralay hain....Soviet Empire tooti yeh barray khush huway...ab America ko masaala hay phir sab naach rahay hain....array bhai Pakistani quam bass eik tamashai hay.....na inn ki koi policy hay na sooch...Soviet Empire koo kiss nay tooraa....Amrikaa nay....tool Pakistani quam kay ghayoor jawaan jo baad main Taliban banay aur terrorist kehlaye....ab Amrikaa apnii hi policies ki wajah say tabah hoo raha hay to inn sub ko phir khushi charrh gai hay....bhai je....Amrikaa baywaqooof zaroor hay per jahil naheen.....wohee iss crisis kay zimaydaar hain aur wohee iss say nikalnay ki policy banaein gay......Ameer Hamza sahib bass achay achay lafaz(woh bhi newsweek kay) likh kar khush hootay hain...too hoonay do bhai....

[Awaragypsy]

Aslam O Alikum all ....


Irrespective of and from what @ Naeem bhai u said , I have got a question from Dear @ Dani sahib > Do u have any solution to such certain complaints ,sir ??? do u find or have or suggest any way out ???

Yeah tou Jeenab nain bataa dia keah " array bhai Pakistani quam bass eik tamashai hay.....na inn ki koi policy hay na sooch" ,Taab hee ajj taak joo hoo raha hai uss main saab saay ziada nuksaan Pakistan hee kaa hai ,Tamashai hain iss liaay appnay hee logoon koo both ends par larnaay kaay liay choraa howa hai as Army and tribals are , aur unheen naa sirf maarta dekhtay hain aur probably as @Dani bhai nain kaha "Pakistani quam bass eik tamashai hay " then after math kaay toor paay suicide bomb explosions main may be kioee alien quam aa jatiee hai jisay maraa jataa hai ....... , I belive that Tamashai pavilion main hota hai naah keah field main , yeah players saay hee poochien how he survived the heat of the real game ???

This is really nice meray bhai @ dani app nain define kar diya "Soviet Empire koo kiss nay tooraa....Amrikaa nay....tool Pakistani quam kay ghayoor jawaan jo baad main Taliban banay aur terrorist kehlaye ", right thats good u know the grounds of the core issue and indeed very well siad ........

For the rest of this issue ApP hee Khush honaay keee koiee duwa bata dian Jeenab @ Dani Sahib as >>>" Ameer Hamza sahib bass achay achay lafaz(woh bhi newsweek kay) likh kar khush hootay hain...too hoonay do bhai." ???


I realy am looking forwards to recive some Concive-able Answer this time @ Dani Sahib .....

[Salmanja]

Assalam'o'Aliekum wr wb !

@ Naeem bhai!

hmmm you rightly pointed something which also came into my mind and its natural that if the capitalist system is going to collasp and we also don't want socialism as the alternative(well it was already practiced and got collasped in the history) then are we "The Muslims" ready to fill the gap???

and I say yes we are ready!! neither do we need Angels with Msc in Economics nor do we need humans with the expertise in Capitalist or socail economic system...

what we need to do is to prepare ourselves for the systems which is surely going to take place of these false systems and that economic system is none other than islamic economic system..

I already stressed in this thread earlier that it is not the system of Islam which is not applicable but it is the followers of islam who dont have believe in Allah swt and who dont have faith in this system as a "Perfect system"!!!

brother there are people I know who served as the economist at goverment levels not only on national level but at international level..and they are alhamdolilah capable to carryout the operations of Islamic economic system!!! what we need to do is to support them and make people understand that this is the time to get themselves free from the evil clutches of man made systems and laws.

and Ameer hamza and writers and preachers are doing nothing but creating awareness among the people for such situation. They are trying to prepare this nation for a "bigger Task" where prosperity can be the fate of a "Common man", but for it we need to role up our sleeves. We need to give ourselves a belief of self confidence and that it!! Why wait for the angels


Wasalam

Salman Javaid