Pakistan Zindabad!

Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:40

TO ALL THOSE who brush aside AQ's analysis as rubbish or discredit it as part of a concocted conspiracy theory, I would request them to get their blinkers off and do some reading of history and about the CIA.... For starters there are two books that i would recommend: "All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror" by Stephen Kinzer and "Charlie Wilson's War:: The Extraordinary Story of the Largest Covert Operation in History " (the book not the movie) by George Crile.. These two would be good starters as they are based on research conducted on declassified documents of the CIA... The first book is how the CIA toppled the most Nationalistic and elected PM of Iran, Mr. Mussadagh and the second is about the Afghan War.. Infact the whole drama that Pakistan has been seeing since March 09, 2007 is a carbon copy execution of the CIA operation in Iran in 1950's to topple Mussadagh's govt. So please educate yourselves and then you have every right to discredit or disagree, but with logic of argument, not logic of hate and anger..
Posted By: zarrar | September 1, 2008 04:49:08 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:41

i m agree with writer,s point of view and vision to predict the things in this manner, its crystal clear the things can be happen like that, here we need to keep keen eyes on domestic and international affairs about Pakistan, here i really appreciate to writer because these of articles help us to know about the realities.
Posted By: Rashid Bashir | January 26, 2008 12:09:35 PM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:41

Excellent professional presentation! I am 100 % sure a person of your caliber, insight and knowledge will not defend something of this sort unless it is related to ones livelihood. I can't imagine you are not aware of the true role of Pak army in today's mess which has been the result of its messy role in politics since country's independence. The story started with Ayub Khan ascending the army throne in early fifties. Liaquat Ali khan murder, towing country towards US instead of USSR, King Makers role and musical chair game of pre 1958 era, Ayub's take over, joining of SEATO, 1965 debacle, Yahya khan ascendancy, East Pak dismemberment, 93,000 POW, (1972-75 free Period) and then Zia mard -i- momen, Most obedient servant against evil empire, millions of Kalashnikov flow across the porous border, and training of thousands of murderers without taking into considerations its consequences and the mysterious shihadat of the mard – i- momen. Opening Kashmir jihad enterprise and later Taliban enterprise and you know by whom, and so on and so forth. Don't you think the stunted growth of the other state's institutions is the direct result of the Army over lordship? This army is doing anything under the blue that one can imagine except soldering. So Mr Qurishi please for God sake don't waste your precious energies in such useless exercises. Do something better: and I am sure you can do it. You have got enough attention now its high time you start sincere journalism. I am impatiently looking forward to that day. Believe me I was great admirer of you and Mush: both very witty, intelligent and honest looking. But the 12th May incident and the way you and Mush treated it acted as last straw and give me the impression that you both are evil genius and hypocrites.
Posted By: orakzai | January 21, 2008 07:45:47 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:42

My views: The Plan To Topple Pak. Military By AHMED QURAISHI This article is worth reading. It is very intense and make sense as well. I have read few other items and researched a bit as well. And the million dollar question is? what the hell is happening and where are we heading................bomb attacks in masjids or imam bargha, killings of leaders, creation of mayhem............looting, extortion, gwadar port, talibans, mehsud, fazullah, bugti........lal masjid, altaf hussain, economic situation, american involvement and what not. We need to look at this picture with broader mind and approach. Maybe we should all try to spread this and shed some light on recent happenings in Pakistan. Friend of mine sent me this mail and I felt that I must share this with you all and take your feedback and also whoever understand it they can forward it further. We can not just let go of things, we have been manipulated so many times by so many people and we always thought.........we can't do anything about it......and most of us say "it will be all ok or "Allah Malik hay", but now we must think otherwise or else we will loose everything soon. Guys!!! If something happens to Musharraf, if he is assassinated or even if he steps down........Our country would be in great trouble. We don't have other leader, we don't have hero's, .......think, comparing Musharraf what we have? Nawaz Sharif, Zardari Bhutto, Qazi Hussain, Molana Fazlur Rehman, Imran Khan, Altaf Hussain, several hardliners, several feudals, several other terrible people. Some can be called "Snakes". We don't have any other leader after Benazir's death! Imagine all those burning of Banks, cars, trucks, after the death of Benazir.......it was kaotic and crazy....who are those people who burnt Edhi Ambulances........no sane person would do that, rich or poor, PPP/MQM/MMA/PML or any other group wouldn't do that.......than who were those people? Probably the same people who blasted the bomb on 12th Rabiulawal and swept away the all top brass of sunni leaders.......or who killed Hakim Saeed or maybe Danial Pearl Watch movies like Mighty Heart, Kingdom, "Charlie Wilson's war or read about Al-qaeda, Taliban, several crises, central Asian Pipeline, Gwadar, Chinese and Pakistani relationship, Baluchistan etc, it all seems complicated and twisted. Name of the game is America and its vested interests...........remember what they did to USSR without even getting there. They want their interest without waging a direct war on us without even direct involvement of India. Why ISI has been bad named and what Roll CIA is playing to dislodge our country. What was the real story of Lal Masjid. Who is Altaf Hussain, Osama Bin Laden, and what roll they are playing, whose side are they on? It makes more sense that we are being "played on", and our junta has been so naive that they have been following for it either in the name of religion, sect, creed or any other political reasons. I am sure we all can say that Musharraf happens to be the best out of the available lot, so shouldn't we support him or his cause........ send this mail to all media people, if anyone has their info and request them to please promote Pakistan, make a movement out of it' , "Save Pakistan" or something.....media had done a great deal of damage to our country, it has made Chief Justice a hero, lal masjid........a red fort, created hatred among people and parties. Situation is getting worse and we have been blaming Musharraf or the Government.......maybe they are helpless or maybe they also trying to fight this menace of "economic and unsuitability war", they have been surrounded from all ends, India, America, Afghanistan, Baluchistan, Tribal Areas, Talibans, corrupt leaders, suicide attacks, bombing, hatred against army and what not. There is an economic war out there, everyone has been going crazy over the crises of sugar, atta, fuel, electricity, water, meat.........some say its like East Pakistan, situation became exactly like this over there before it became a Bangladesh. Now our luck, person like Asif Zardari has become the leader of the biggest party.........isn't thats insane! External forces have been dominating and destroying us, we must realize. We must react in any way that we can and try to spread the "word", "Save Pakistan", ignore and move on. Make a movement of some sort where people like u and me can play their roll, if you have any info about the media, channels, papers, sites, groups, please pass it on and spread the thought. Choice is ours, maybe its not too late yet! either we can keep dwelling on our differences and grudges OR we can start thinking little positively. And do something. I am ready to share ideas and comments your input and interest would matter a lot.
Posted By: Naveed Farooqi | January 8, 2008 09:15:31 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:42

My Dear Ahmed, you should not be apologetic in defending President Musharraf, a honest man and the best leader in the present circumstances. Please defend him with all of your pen's might. He is human and like every human being prone to making policy mistakes and wrong decisions. He is million time better than the present u.s., favoured lot. If those are being defended by their most loyal servants, like of Amin Fahim, Raja something, why not defend Musharraf. The B.B.,ran away after cleaning out country's excheqer, a well planned escape. The Babu, went happily with all his house hold goods, even the stuffed lion, thanks to many of his friends. After 8 years living in safe environment, he comes back with wild stories, how he and his family was forcibly kicked and packed out of Pakistan. Both of them and their camp followers do not have any shame, as they smell money and they are going crazy to lay their dirty hands on it. That is why we must defend President, and have him in place to check these crooks.
Posted By: Tariq M. Haider | December 26, 2007 01:45:13 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:43

This article is an eye opener for every Pakistani regardless to his/her commitments or affiliations with any group or party. We claim to be democratic but do not have the courage to listen to the truth or speak truth. We should be above everything when it comes to Pakistan. If there is a disagreement it should be argued with evidence. So we may learn from your thoughts as well. After all we are all Pakistanis. Unless, someone is following someone elss agenda. The contents of this article did come up from time to time in the press and or otherwise but nothing came up so detailed in a form of an article. Ahmed Qureishi should get due credit for it. One comes to think. why BLA in not banned by US, otherwise every tick dom and harry got black listed. Baitullah Mehsood is a safe heaven for all the terrorist and with all the modern technology availabele with the allied forces, they are operating safely. 54 channels are operating except GEO but the US ambassador is bothered and wants desparately GEO to operate.Of course all the opposition and all those who could never think of being on TV are also desparate. All this and more, every Pakistani should seriously give a thought before passing remarks and calling somebody a traitor. Ahmed I hope you will continue with your honest and well researched work to benefit your readers. Do it as a service to the nation. God Bless you
Posted By: M.I. SIDDIQUI | December 23, 2007 03:23:01 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:43

“Its Time for Reflection” Let’s ask ourselves a few questions? Question 1: Is the article biased? Answer: Yes apparently, it is!!!!!!!!! You don’t need to be a genius to figure out the bias or the link of the writer. Mr Quraishi has provided all information himself by providing his biography and the pictures. Its right here on his website……… So what’s the fuss about? I regard it as a credit to the writer. He is publishing all reviews regardless of them bearing positive or a negative opinion (from writer’s perspective). I wrote a few comments in so called Pakistan’s Flag Bearer of freedom of Speech “Geo TV’s” blog; just to investigate their intentions as I didn’t find any negative comments there. But surprise! Surprise! After having attempted for almost three times my comments were never posted since it questioned their intentions. So the bottom line is that Mr Quraishi does not appear to be that sinister like what most of us think he is . Well Done Ahmed. Question 2: Are the contents of the article baseless? Answer: No they are not!! There is sufficient evidence to support the writer’s assertions and conclusions…. For the benefit of all PATRIOTS I have complied a database for all of you to review and make up your own mind: 1. The Most Dangerous nation in the World isn’t Iraq. It’s Pakistan. Cover Story run by NEWSWEEK in Oct 29, 2007 Issue. Concentrate on the title its hinting on Pakistan as a Nation. Cover story “Where the Jihad Lives Now” is available online : http://www.newsweek.com/id/57485 2. The Truth about Talibanistan. Time Magazine Mar. 22, 2007 available online : http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... -1,00.html 3. Pakistan: Divided by Faith. Time Magazine. Available online : http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/ ... 32,00.html 4. Pakistan: The Making of a Crisis. Time Magazine Nov. 9, 2007 available online : http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 34,00.html 5. Can Pakistan's Military Be Trusted? Time Magazine Nov. 9, 2007 available online : http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 37,00.html 6. After Musharraf, Atlantic Monthly October 2007 available online : http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200710/musharraf 7. Musharraf and the Future of Pakistan, Atlantic Monthly 3 November 2007 available online : http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/arch ... _of_pa.php 8. DIVIDE PAKISTAN TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM, A private blog by somebody named Syed Jamaluddin. Available online: http://dividepakistan.blogspot.com/ These are just a few articles which I personally came across in the last few months; given more time and effort one could probably find a boatload of such articles. So …… I would strongly urge you to visit these articles which have a lot of worthwhile content and then read Mr Qureshi’s article again, you might see the point as most articles tow a similar theme. There is definitely something boiling ….. Its best for us to know it so we can fix it.. There is no point in behaving like a pigeon and closing our eyes. Well done Ahmed!! Keep up the good work…….
Posted By: Feroz Khan | December 13, 2007 10:46:35 PM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:45

After reading this article and comments which are equaly informative.What I can only grasp is that we know what the problem is may be we paint it or it really is that big. But if the picture which comes up it says that now it has copme to our existance. So just wanting something to eat or basic needs will certainly will lead to destruction. If we see around us we can see living standard in Pakistan have improved even despite of many corrupt regimes. People are not that much hungry as it used to be may be we still can find many in Pakistan which are not or hardly getting a meal. But figure of people who slept at night with satisfied appitite are also increased. Now a days we are after greed having everything but still we want to lease many things from bank just to improve living standard etc. what actually I want to say is that people who are thinking or who are agitating now a days on roads are not living a difficult life as per their earnings or basic neccessities are concerned. They want better living conditions. Of course it is not the wrong desire but when you turn in a mob for very small goal it caused damage to the country. We want that even government should take solid steps to stop drivers from breaking signals but knowing fully we cannot stop ourselves or our loved ones from doing so. If we see our lust for money we do everything what we can do to earn through right and wrong ways and when such people among us grows to influential places we become corrupt leadership. Even at this time when everyone knows how brutely best Institution of Pakistan that is Army is targeted mopraly by spoiling the image among Pakistani's and physically by employment in WANA by corrupt leadership as our politicians never supported the government at that time to unite the nation and supported Musharaf govt at that time to resist US pressure and till today nobody wants to support government to give strength of people of pakistan so that govt may withstand International pressure. Every time our rulers are fighting a battle against opposition for there survival. So I can say that people of pakistan has sacrificed there army by supporting corrupt or stupid leadership which includes present politicians, judiciary specially CJ Iftikhar and co, media and the evil GEO, and the mob mentality of people of pakistan which still blindly follows leaders like BB , Nawaz Sharif or Shujjaat brothers and MQM. Army Has suffered in term of life loses in WANA where they employed without any initiative and become a soft target and when they lost there lives media pretented them as less trained and equally en of own people army. I salute them as knowing fully the way they have been employed they will loose there lives but they never refused because if any such thing would have happened it has caused the situation of civil war or must have distributed the army . And while loosing their lives Pak army soldiers due to media and senseless behaviour of general public reputation of army was also spoiled. So I rightly said that people of pakistan are sacrificing there army to Us by doing exactly what US wanted. May Allah save this nation who do not believed in doing anything by themselves but to wait for some leader where leadership cadre is already hijacked by enimies.
Posted By: fawd haider | December 11, 2007 05:58:07 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:47

Excellent article. There may be some exaggerations but overall it does make lot of sense. There must be something that suddenly all international media pounce on Musharraf and Pakistan. They cannot see what Benazir had done previously and even how Nawaz Sharif had led the country to bankruptcy. Another term or if they had stayed on to complete their normal terms, I dont know where we might have ended.Dr Shahid Masood has a way of thinking and he can effectively use it to convince others along those lines. Not long ago he was a great fan of Saddam Hussain and what he brought on his country. Its a shame that Geo ows its existence to Musharraf and then completley forgets that with freedom they need to exercise some discipline. About the US role and promotion of Geo, why would not the US establishment allow screening of Al-Jazeera which is a very neutral channel. I would greatly admire Justice Iftikhar if he was to publically deny any of the allegations levelled against him. Did not he take oath under the PCO when Musharraf first took over? How unashamedly he got his recruited as a Superintendnent of Police after had failed the civil service exam three times. Did we ever have a Chief Justice who wanted to be on the front pages of newspapers everyday? I think it was a shame that we ever got people like Justice Iftikhar and General Zia-ul-Haq got to where they got to. We need people like Ahmad Qureshi to give us the other side of the picture. With the freedom of the press, everyone takes his birthright to abuse everything about the current govt who have given them this freedom.
Posted By: zahida tanoli | December 8, 2007 04:28:53 AM
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Re: Pakistan Zindabad!

Postby danishthanvi on 05 Sep 2008, 19:47

I fully agree. USA has fuded channels like GEO and few media men are paid CIA agents. USA is also funding few illiterate pathans in northern areas disguised as talibans and working in the ranks and files of jihadis to create disruption in our country.This disruption will lead to 'major concern' by the USA and its allies for neuclear assets in our country and they will work on 'securing' the same by capturing our arsenal. A similar thought and an exercise was carried out few weeks back by the 'pantagon'. We must not abandon our people in northern Pakistan and start a dialouge and political freedom and try to bring them in the main stream.These people are our buffer and can play hell with USA as they are doing in Afghanistan.One must come out and let the Pakistanis know what is being hatched for them by our enemies.I put people like Asma Jhangir also in the same list of our enemies.God bless our country.Pakistan Zindadad.
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