Ab bari Pakistan ki nai India aur America ki hy in'sha'Allah

[Jig]

@ Awaragypsy,

My personal rejection is based on the topics headline that goes against everything I stand for, better explained from a part of my most recent post.

Topic headline is an issue for me.

"Now it is not Pakistans turn its India's and America's turn." With the will of Allah.

“I say wish not that which you would not like others to wish on you.”

Now if I am missing something please do break it down for me so I can understand. Some of the content is in Urdu and I am having a hard time understanding it. What is Salam sahib trying to say? Your help is needed. So that I may fix and adjust.

Thank you

[Awaragypsy]

Asslam O Alikum all .....


@Jig i would be more obliged to help u in this matter , but @Salman Javeed is quite capable of writtig , understanding and conveying his message in English as well as he did it in urdu I would rather request @ Salman Javeed to post in english for the Convenience of a fellow member .
How ever @ Salman Javeed's last post is a critical anaylisis on Mr.Barak Obama's Racial set backs which are now coming visible in now a days news papers as well as channels ,this last post is explaining how and why americans seem a bit reluctant to vote Mr.Obama specifically on racisms grounds .
Another issue elobrated in the post is about Zionist American supporting Vice president of AMerica lady Sarah p. which seems quite evident ....

Conclusion may be derived as iam interpreting it through my vision ,

American wont vote for Mr.Obama cause they eventually see all goods from Mr.Obama but they see him as a Black man with Muslim background and with an arab conection ,and Lady Sarah P. is becoming victorious cause of few known reasons mainly Zionsts backing her up ............

My assesment to the topic is :
As for topic , America is now facing the economical crisis two major banks till my knowledge have been declared as bankrupt , the racial differnces and the policies America been implementing on the rest of the world more precisly on Pakistan are some what dirrectly damaging the economical structure of UsA , there is a high amount of unrest among mass in America for now not compared to what Pakistan is going through but eventually wrong policies have de stabalised American reforms to some level wat so ever The way the foriegn policies of America are made and more adverntly they are imposed which may change accordingly .....

[Jig]

It’s around 9 pm and I have just returned from a board meeting of a non-profit org in America. I was elected unanimously , with no opposition , including the former board that would have continued to serve had I not thrown my hat in along with a new executive team. Today after completing my term I respectfully stepped aside. I have not seen any racism shown to me by any of the membership (99 % white) what so ever, nor have I personally experienced any over 25 years of living here. Go figure. I would not underestimate the will of a people. Only 20 or so hours remain before the polls close. I will not say that racism does not exist, but this country is closer to bridging that gap than any country I know.
Sincerely
ZEB

[Jig]

Race was not an issue in the US elections. Americans vote in a first ever black President in a landslide victory for President Obama. Proves the point I was trying to make above.
ZEB

[Salmanja]

Assalam'o'Aliekum wr wb!

brothe JIG before answering these questions posed by you and ma'sha'Allah I would like to hear from your side the answers I asked in another thread about the NEW PRESIDENT of USA....where you "Concluded" the matter very effectively

Then we will talk about the matter of Racism(which also include "Religious Conflict") in'sha'Allah

secondly the matter is not as simple as my lovely American Muslims think!! I have many friends who were resiging in America from Past 15 years or some even born in America and England but either they were deported or they werre forced to leave the country by different methods!! what an unbaised society!! blaiming muslims as hypocrates and playing by themselves role of "jackal" in the guise of "innocent sheeps"!!!

Alhamdolilah I have a firm belief in what Allah swt has revealed and what Allah swt has told us about our "Enemies" and I also "Reject" those who think that these people can ever become our "friends"!!!


Lets wait and watch the scenario created by these Neo-Cons based on the collective thinking of "fellow lovely americans"!!!


Wasalam-u-Aliekum wr wb

Salman Javaid

[Jig]

repeat of post:

Wasalam u aliekum wr wb! @Salmanja,

May Allah(SwT) enrich your life with happiness instead of anger, may he cool the boiling blood that runs through thy veins, so thy fever is replaced by good health, may he bring peace to your soul, so you may use the gifts of knowledge, to bridge the gaps that divide us, may he bless upon you an inner peace and confidence, that bud-duwas (Ill wishes) may be replaced with duwas (good wishes) for those you disagree with. May he shower more wisdom, tolerance, and understanding upon you so you could make a difference with your actions, your writings, and your words. May he sleeve your sword so that you by mistake don't harm an innocent. (Amen).

“With link to my other thread in which racism matter is discussed and the "Conclusion" derived by Mr JIG in this thread I just want to congratulate mr JIG for having a new Black president.”@Salmanja


Americans prove race was not a issue in this election.

I would write the above line based on facts, data, and analysis, derived by the exit polls form a wide cross section of American voters interviewed as they exited the polls after voting. It is a cumulating of information from multiple sources, conducting these exit polls, processed carefully without trusting one source, rather many. According to my most honest conclusion which only I have derived from the information available, that the majority of Americans, when asked if race was a factor in their decision, replied that it was not. ( On this point they deserve my appreciation, and nothing more than a duwa (good wishes) that have crept out from my heart and soul that may Allah(SwT) bless them with more happiness and joy) As this action is something I believe in and would bring me an extreme joy that I am most pleased to share with them.) To understand my views one must also take in to consideration, some of my basic beliefs, as I in the majority attempt to look at the glass half full rather than the glass half empty. I cannot escape the human urge to also look at the glass half empty, which I try to avoid as much as possible. All I have written in this form, are views, conclusions, points analysis based on information processed through my brain. I will not claim they are accurate, set in stone, or inaccurate. There may be commonalities and disagreements with my processed information derived from personal experiences and information available. Those who are willing to look deeper on this topic can do their own reseach.


@Salmanja wrote:

I just want to congratulate mr JIG for having a new Black president.

reply:
I will most certainly take your congratulations, and pass them on to the American people, including my American Muslim family, that include my lovely American wife, my 3 American children, my lovely American 63 year old mentally disabled proud Christian lady who has lived with us as a family member for over 13 years. Her beliefs are respected and protected by my family. On my part I can only thank you, but really, I am not allowed to vote because I hold the citizenship of my Country where I was born, Pakistan. Since I did not I ask any of my American friends, family or acquaintances in America to vote for the respected President Elect, I cannot accept your congratulations on that base, but will gladly accept it on the basis that may Allah(SwT) (God) make him an instrument of his will so that mankind not waist its few precious moments of living in idle debate that has no end in the search for peace for all. I invite you to look through a prism or a ruler that has markings that no nation or tribe is without fault, no nation is without racism, no nation is without evil, no nation is without injustice, no nation is without poor, no nation is without evil, no nation is without the hungry, no nation is without greed, no nation is without hate and so on. The degree or measurement only varies. Will you make such a wonderful nation that will have none of the above? Please do let me know when that nation is ready I will pass in my beloved citizenship of Pakistan for that. If I can’t afford even a degree of common courtesy to the kindness of the American people, its laws in allowing me the ability to speak my mind, practice any religion I choose, marry amongst them, live amongst them with freedom to move to anywhere I want to go then I would consider myself a thankless person. I am very sorry that some Muslims here may have not had the same experience I have had, but one thing I will say personal action play an important part in how you are treated. Respect is not demanded it is earned. Wishing people ill only makes them hate you more than you hate them. That is not what I understand the character of a Allah (Swt) (God) fearing human to be.

I apologize if I have offended you or have raised the already boiling blood. The other questions you have asked about Malcolm X and so on, know this I am a very keen observer and am fully aware of good around me as well as the not so good. We can all easily build a case against any nation or people collectively yet it becomes much harder individually. Leaders have throughout our history raised the level of fear in their people by taking actions of the individual evil ones amongst their enemy and aiming it towards an entire people or nation. That is a time old tradition of incitement of their people towards war with a punishment towards an entire people or nation. If you would like to pick and choose, a mountain of ills can easily be found from nations spreading from east to west and from north to south of this world. It would also include ills past, present and future, some will be able to build new pyramids of what mankind still has in store for humanity as far as evil is concerned by one nation or another, or by one people or another. I pray we all learn from the past and try to get along.

What we can do is try to understand our history, not to participate in hate towards another human being while still believing in our faith practicing it then leading by example(I count myself as someone who falls short on all accounts, but working towards it and sharing what I am experiencing, so you will be short changed to find an expert in me.) The human mind is the most curious mind on this planet. Islam by example is in itself is an invitation or Dawa for the curious mind it does not require force, based on the tolerance demonstrated in terms of protecting the beliefs of the minorities in Islam. I would have to say “Fear not the religions of the world if your own belief is as solid as you believe it to be. This formula is so simple it can be applied to all beliefs alien to yours. Give mankind an equal opportunity to search all.

In the end I would have thought that with such outrage expressed at the misstreatment of fellow Muslims eqaul praise to those who have treated one of you with respect would have been extended a thank you, I would call that fair.

ZEB
Editing

[Awaragypsy]

ASlam O ALikum all .....



@ Dear Jig , i read almost every word written by u in ur last post , no doubt extreme of any thing towards anything can speak out for it self .The matter to ponder is some what one of the new members u atleast know very well by the name @ Al27 already said in a very simple manner , using Religion as a tool !
Muslims have been weak specially mis informed derailed ,and mixed with uncertain priorities its less to do with the spritual concerns but it seems and proves non Muslims using religion as a tool on vice versa grounds ,taking advantage ,striking Muslims where ever and when ever they find a loop ,exploiting situations and creating further atrocities ahead !!! . It is clearly evident and we certainly need not to start other thread regarding this .....It is not that we or I precisly have locked up myself from listening or knowing ,asking further but the revelations which were 1400 hundered years ago given have clearly indicated almost all the on going scenarios ....

Iam not challanging any one but the death toll of the deadliest incident of 9/11 was not more then , 2752 —31 October, 2003 till the last body was recovered ,where as death toll in the activities i must say have reached Millions 1 million was only recorded in iraq till 2003 ........They were all human, both ends ..??? but policies worked havoc ......

any how
Muslims are the first to step up and yell - 'the Jews rule the world'. This is why...I already have posted this in another thread ,lets see it once again as an answer to many of raised questions and queries

Demographics:
o World Jewish Population. 14 million
o Distribution: 7m in America, 5m in Asia, 2m in Europe, 100 thousand in
Africa
o World Muslim Population: 1.5 billion
o Distribution: I billion in Asia/Mid-East, 400 M in Africa, 44 M in Europe,
6 M in the Americas
o Every fifth human being is a Muslim.
o For every single Hindu there are two Muslims
o For every Buddhist there are two Muslims
o For every Jew there are 107 Muslims
o Yet the 14 million Jews are more powerful than the entire 1.5 billion
Muslims

Why? Here are some of the reasons.

Movers of Current History
o Albert Einstein Jewish
o Sigmund Freud Jewish
o Karl Marx Jewish
o Paul Samuelson Jewish
o Milton Friedman

Medical Milestones
o Vaccinating Needle: Benjamin Ruben Jewish
o Polio Vaccine Jonas Salk Jewish
o Leukaemia Drug Gertrude Elion Jewish
o Hepatitis B Baruch Blumberg Jewish
o Syphilis Drug Paul Ehrlich Jewish
o Neuro muscular Elie Metchnikoff Jewish
o Endocrinology Andrew Schally Jewish
o Cognitive therapy. Aaron Beck Jewish
o Contraceptive Pill Gregory Pincus Jewish
o Understanding of Human Eye. G. Wald Jewish
o Embryology. Stanley Cohen Jewish
o Kidney Dialysis Willem Kloffcame Jewish

Nobel Prize Winners
o In the past 105 years, 14 million Jews have won 180 Nobel prizes whilst
1.5
billion Muslims have contributed only 3 Nobel winners

Inventions that changed History
o Micro- Processing Chip. Stanley Mezor Jewish
o Nuclear Chain Reactor Leo Sziland Jewish
o Optical Fibre Cable Peter Schultz Jewish
o Traffic Lights Charles Adler Jewish
o Stainless Steel Benno Strauss Jewish
o Sound Movies Isador Kisee Jewish
o Telephone Microphone Emile Berliner Jewish
o Video Tape Recorder Charles Ginsburg Jewish

Influential Global Business
o Polo Ralph Lauren Jewish
o Coca Cola Jewish
o Levi's Jeans Levi Strauss Jewish
o Sawbuck's Howard Schultz Jewish
o Google <http://www.google.com/> Sergey Brin Jewish
o Dell Computers Michael Dell Jewish
o Oracle Larry Ellison Jewish
o DKNY Donna Karan Jewish
o Baskin & Robbins Irv Robbins Jewish
o Dunkin Donuts Bill Rosenberg Jewish

Influential Intellectuals/Politicians
o Henry Kissinger , US Sec of State Jewish
o Richard Levin, President Yale University Jewish
o Alan Greenspan , US Federal Reserve Jewish
o Joseph Lieberman Jewish
o Madeleine Albright , US Sec of State Jewish
o Casper Weinberger , US Sec of Defence Jewish
o Maxim Litvinov , USSR Foreign Minister Jewish
o David Marshal , Singapore Chief Minister Jewish
o Isaacs Isaacs, Gov-Gen Australia Jewish
o Benjamin Disraeli, British Statesman Jewish
o Yevgeny Primakov, Russian PM Jewish
o Barry Goldwater , US Politician Jewish
o Jorge Sampaio, President Portugal Jewish
o Herb Gray, Canadian Deputy - PM Jewish
o Pierre Mendes, French PM Jewish
o Michael Howard, British Home Sec. Jewish
o Bruno Kriesky, Austrian Chancellor Jewish
o Robert Rubin , US Sec of Treasury Jewish

Global Media Influential
o Wolf Blitzer, CNN Jewish
o Barbara Walters ABC News <http://abcnews.go.com/> Jewish
o Eugene Meyer , Washington Post Jewish
o Henry Grunwald, Time Magazine Jewish
o Katherine Graham , Washington Post Jewish
o Joseph Lelyeld, New York Times Jewish
o Max Frankel, New York Times Jewish

Global Philanthropists
o George Soros Jewish
o Walter Annenberg Jewish

Why are they powerful? And why are Muslims powerless? Here's another reason.
We have lost the capacity to produce knowledge.
o In the entire Muslim World (57 Muslim Countries) there are only 500
universities.
o In USA alone, 5,758 universities
o In India alone, 8,407 universities
o Not one university in the entire Islamic World features in the Top 500

Ranking Universities of the World
o Literacy in the Christian World 90%
o Literacy in the Muslim World 40%
o 15 Christian majority-countries, literacy rate 100%
o Muslim majority - countries , None
o 98% in Christian countries completed primary
o Only 50% in Muslim countries completed primary.
o 40% in Christian countries attended university
o In Muslim countries a dismal 2% attended.
o Muslim majority countries have 230 scientists per one million Muslims
o The USA has 5000 per million
o The Christian world 1000 technicians per million.
o Entire Arab World only 50 technicians per million.
o Muslim World spends on research/development 0.2% of GDP
o Christian World spends 5 % of GDP
Conclusion. : The Muslim World lacks the capacity to produce knowledge.

Another way of testing the degree of knowledge is the degree of diffusing
knowledge.
o Pakistan 23 daily newspapers per 1000 citizens
o Singapore 460 per 1000 citizens.
o In UK book titles per million is 2000
o In Egypt book titles per million is only 17
Conclusion. :Muslim World is failing to diffuse knowledge

Applying Knowledge is another such test.
o Exports of high tech products from Pakistan is 0.9% of its exports.
o In Saudi Arabia is 0.2%
o Kuwait , Morocco and Algeria 0.3%
o Singapore alone is 68%
Conclusion. :Muslim World is failing to apply knowledge.

What do you conclude? no need to tell the figures are speaking themselves
very loudly we all are unable to listen or may donnt wish to ......



I must urge that none of us ,atleast iam not jumping to any conclusions regarding Mr.Barak Obama becoming new President of UsA , I do pray for the sake of proving me( i donnt mark others so let iT be me ) or many like me wrong Mr.Obama servives ,MaY ALLAH swT give him longer life and he proves a blessing for the whole Humanity and some positive growth comes forth .....AMeen

[Jig]

Conclusions:

Racism is the prime culprit and a partner in evil towards the well being of mankind.

No faith should be used as a tool to encourage hatred.

Faith is a matter between the faithful and their God.

Someone who always looks at the neighbor’s house would waste most of his time looking rather than doing. The wild weeds would surround his house.

Let us make this world a better place to live for all.

War is the forceful implementation of one view over another, justices lacks in war, innocent pay a higher price than the guilty. It should always be the last consideration, while diplomacy should be the first. Retaliation should be focused only on the guilty. Prisoners are a bi product of a war, to protect the innocent every attempt should be made to their humain treatment, and afforded the ability to prove their innocence in the court of law with proper representation.


Nations or people who break these most basic of human values do a great disservice to mankind.

Respectfully,
ZEB

[Awaragypsy]

Aslam O Alikum all .....

Agreed sire , as far as the conclusions are concerned with minor differences ,
NO one is using religion as a toll to spread hatred , misconception is always there and it works like miss guided mislies (havoc in societies ) ,Understanding religion is far importan then any thing else , same remains the issue about mixed priorities .....

My mind surely is now hovering in the mode of un certainty
"Someone who always looks at the neighbor’s house would waste most of his time looking rather than doing. The wild weeds would surround his house."
Could u please clearify this statement ???


Regarding this para phrase :-
"War is the forceful implementation of one view over another, justices lacks in war, innocent pay a higher price than the guilty. It should always be the last consideration, while diplomacy should be the first. Retaliation should be focused only on the guilty. Prisoners are a bi product of a war, to protect the innocent every attempt should be made to their humain treatment, and afforded the ability to prove their innocence in the court of law with proper representation."

with all appology Nations or people who break these most basic of human values do a great disservice to mankind as mentioned , who namely such Nations or people be and on wat account they have been doing so ???

[Jig]

Dear brother,

Hovering is great so that a level well balanced spot could be sighted with a stable foundation to land your craft on. ( Patience) You will get there.

If I was to name these nations policies (including our own), demonstrated over the past years, I would be most unfair to most of the people of these nations who also believe in the above view you are referring to.

Remember the world cannot be a safe place for anyone unless most of the people from this beautiful BLUE SAFIRE PLANET we all call home are part of this march towards peace and harmony. It is my hope we can leave it at that.

Regards

ZEB